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Postby Blade Sabre » Fri Nov 21, 2008 1:23 pm

There was some talk in a clan-chat a couple of weeks back about how you could optimise for XP or for points, and that the two are quite different. I wrote down the audience opinion and my XP gains for each move the next time I went there, to try to see how it works.

For points, it seems the audience don't like you to do the same stunt consecutively - even with an emote in between - but you can alternate two stunts.

For XP, it seems you don't get XP for doing the same stunt a second time in the whole performance.

I noticed that for all three acts, there are two things you can do at each of the levels 10,20..90,99. Range has the ducks or the target; Agility has the special emote or the juggling item; and Magic has two stands for each of 10-50 and one stand with two options for 60-99.

Of key importance is that from a points perspective, the two stunts at the same level count as being different, but from an XP perspective they do not. So I get the impression, as others have said, that the maximum points would come from a successful performance of alternating the two level-99 stunts. Meanwhile, the best XP would come from a successful performance of one stunt from each level. (I don't know whether one kind gives more XP than the other, the amount of XP given seemed kind of random.)

For the emotes, you can do 10 emotes and 10 stunts. The performance stops after the 10th stunt. You can do emotes at any time. If you do more than 10 emotes it tells you the extra ones no longer count for points. Most people alternate emote-stunt-emote-stunt when trying to get points, though I'm not convinced the order makes any difference.

Any feedback, or more info?
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Postby Rakshar » Fri Nov 21, 2008 2:19 pm

Sounds about right with what I have found too. I will say that actual level does make alot of difference with the level you actually are. Alternating the level 99s on the tight rope at level 58 agility normally netted me only one miss with one perfect score and one 2 miss performance. Lady Lisa is level 70 agility and has had only one single miss performance and no perfect performance. The same has held true for the Magic tricks even though she has been 94+ since it came out. The net result has been that I have my full ringmaster and she only has 3 pieces so far.

I have concluded that luck plays much more of a factor then actual level. Alternating the 99s will get you more points consistently then following audience suggestions because no matter what your level you will most likely miss at least 1 trick thus killing your audience suggestion path while the 99 tricks will save you if you miss 1 and rarely 2.

I have also seen trick duplication complaints carry over from week to week. Leading me to believe the game holds a memory of tricks you have done for xp purposes. This might have been an early glitch that has since been fixed since I encountered it a couple of times in the first month of release and have been alternating 99 tricks since to qualify for the ringmaster clothing.
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Postby boyeee13 » Fri Nov 21, 2008 3:44 pm

Thank you so much for starting this thread! I have full acrobat and clown but have failed to get any ringmaster. I am getting very tired of hearing how I already have each part of that reward level... :roll:

Anyone have an idea if your outfit makes a difference? I have tried full mime and jester but did not notice any major score difference.
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Postby The Gaffled » Fri Nov 21, 2008 3:48 pm

For what it is worth, I just wore whatever I happened to have on and just did the 90 and 99 level activities. I did an emote before I started and then a different one in between each trick. I got full ringmaster without any problem. I usually failed one or two tricks a session...
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Postby Mak 1027 » Fri Nov 21, 2008 3:50 pm

boyeee13 wrote:Anyone have an idea if your outfit makes a difference? I have tried full mime and jester but did not notice any major score difference.


Some claim it does ...but I got full ringmaster and all I ever wear to the circus is default Jagex clothing with a spottier cape and boots of lightness or black d'hide
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Postby Da_Dragon555 » Fri Nov 21, 2008 3:53 pm

boyeee13 wrote:Thank you so much for starting this thread! I have full acrobat and clown but have failed to get any ringmaster. I am getting very tired of hearing how I already have each part of that reward level... :roll:

Anyone have an idea if your outfit makes a difference? I have tried full mime and jester but did not notice any major score difference.

I am in a similar situation.
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And this was with 60 Mage, 54 Range, and 43 Agil.

I have been consistently hitting in the Acrobat range, though...
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Postby verage » Fri Nov 21, 2008 3:57 pm

for ringmaster pieces during agility :

lvl 99 backflip
random emote
juggle chins
random emote
and repeat..

That's how I got full ringmaster :)

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Postby Blade Sabre » Fri Nov 21, 2008 4:19 pm

I was there again today. Spotted one mistake in my first post, the audience don't seem to mind if you do the same stunt twice with an emote in-between.
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Postby SpencerM98 » Fri Nov 21, 2008 4:25 pm

verage wrote:for ringmaster pieces during agility :

lvl 99 backflip
random emote
juggle chins
random emote
and repeat..

That's how I got full ringmaster :)


That's what I did too. Go there with 0 weight or below and go to agility first. Also, if you are going to alternate between emotes and tricks be sure and start with the emote first or your performance will end with only 9 emotes done. To make sure I don't repeat an emote I just start with the first one and work my way to the tenth. After you are finished leave the circus and head to the bank to get your mage and ranging clothes. It does make a difference if you are trying to get high scores. Failing to change clothes and carrying extra weight got me full clown doing the same steps I just listed. I got it first and finally figured out what I was doing wrong and got ringmaster next.

If you want a poor performance do not perform any emotes and do the same lowest level trick every time. My lowest is 10 magic and 20 range and agility. I saw a 0 on the scoreboard and I have no idea how that was done.
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Postby Kudelv » Fri Nov 21, 2008 4:30 pm

SpencerM98 wrote:I saw a 0 on the scoreboard and I have no idea how that was done.


Can't you just talk to the assistance to finish your performance earlier? Or you need to try to do 10 tricks before you can finish.
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Postby Rakshar » Fri Nov 21, 2008 4:36 pm

On what to wear I take full Blessed D'hide while trying to match the color to the region the Circus is in. I do the same when I chose between light, dark or nomal mystic. My highest score was my perfect tightrope at 1485 pts. emote... back flip... juggle chins... repeat.
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Postby Craven Range » Fri Nov 21, 2008 8:07 pm

I always get clown range..

got ring master hat and top

99 mage 99 range and 60 agility

Consistently score higher in agility than mage/range
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Postby Cinderalla » Fri Nov 21, 2008 8:42 pm

I think alot of the audience score also comes from your ranking in a particular skill. The higher your ranking regardless of your level seems to give you a better chance of doing stunts above your level to please the audience. Following that? For illustration.

My Agility skill level is lower then both my range and mage; yet I got all my Ringmaster pieces from the Agility performances. Although my skill level is lower in agility, my ranking in high scores is higher then the mage or range. So many more players have higher range and mage then do agility so perhaps agility performances are 'weighted' to get higher scores.
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Postby lebst » Sat Nov 22, 2008 2:20 am

I got ringmaster from every performence though my lvls are kind of high (dunno if 78 agility is high for that though).

I think the highest score I've gotten was either magic or agility (can't remember) with 1485

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Postby Kudelv » Sat Nov 22, 2008 2:52 am

Cinderalla wrote:My Agility skill level is lower then both my range and mage; yet I got all my Ringmaster pieces from the Agility performances. Although my skill level is lower in agility, my ranking in high scores is higher then the mage or range. So many more players have higher range and mage then do agility so perhaps agility performances are 'weighted' to get higher scores.


I've got 3 pieces of Ringmaster clothes. All of them out of my range performance. Yet, I am ranked considerably higher in Agility than in Range or Mage and higher in Mage than in Range.
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Postby Blooblyblobl » Sat Nov 22, 2008 2:47 pm

Blade Sabre wrote:I was there again today. Spotted one mistake in my first post, the audience don't seem to mind if you do the same stunt twice with an emote in-between.


Correct, I've gotten full ringmaster (I think - don't remember if I ever got the last piece), and about half of the pieces were from ranged - I wore range boosting armor and popped on eagle eye (no idea if it matters, but it seems to help), and shot the target from 99 5 times in a row with emotes in between, then the ducks the same way - the audience was fine with the repetition as long as the emotes were there.
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Postby Craven Range » Sat Nov 22, 2008 5:32 pm

Cinderalla wrote:I think alot of the audience score also comes from your ranking in a particular skill. The higher your ranking regardless of your level seems to give you a better chance of doing stunts above your level to please the audience. Following that? For illustration.

My Agility skill level is lower then both my range and mage; yet I got all my Ringmaster pieces from the Agility performances. Although my skill level is lower in agility, my ranking in high scores is higher then the mage or range. So many more players have higher range and mage then do agility so perhaps agility performances are 'weighted' to get higher scores.


Craven Range wrote:I always get clown range..

got ring master hat and top

99 mage 99 range and 60 agility

Consistently score higher in agility than mage/range


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Postby Rue Night » Sat Nov 22, 2008 6:09 pm

:? If this is all true, and you can get full ringmaster at practically any lvl, why haven't I gotten any pieces yet?
I have 48 Agility, 73 magic, and 70 range... and the best I have gotten is clown, while potting and praying...
Dang it, I just want that hat lol. :roll:
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Postby Craven Range » Sat Nov 22, 2008 6:59 pm

This is all i can get

Always get circus..

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