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Postby Lord Klotski » Sun Oct 19, 2008 9:01 pm

This thread concerns the possible advantages to skilling on a PvP world.

I read this quote from the forums today:

Several factors determine the value of the drops you can receive. These include, but are not limited to:

* Your Combat level.
* Your opponents' Combat level.
* The value of items you would lose on death.
* The value of items your opponent lost.
* How long you have survived in a dangerous area on the PvP world (continuously re-entering a safe area has a negative effect on your drop potential).
* How many players you have killed on the PvP world recently (if you kill several players in a short amount of time, the quality of your drops will go down).
* Whether you are in a hot zone.


In general, the most important factors are the value of items you are risking, the amount your opponent drops and how long you have survived (ideally in a hot zone). A good tactic is to let your drop value build up by training in a hot zone for a while (which will be especially beneficial if you have some brawling gloves), then try to get a kill or two for a better chance of some good drops. Then you can go back to training to let your drop value increase again.

Note that if you die, your drop value will temporarily increase to compensate you for your loss, but it won't get you the full value of your lost items - it's not a sensible way to get good drops!



With the important bits highlighted in bold (and a more complete description of the mechanics of drops on my other thread), we are left to examine a paradox: How does one skill Without spending a lot of time in a bank?

I have confirmation from Paul that Elapsed time in a safe zone reduces PvP points.


It should be noted that since higher level players are being compensated for their time in a PvP world, it makes sense to inflate your combat level as much as possible! In other words, a summoning *pouch* should always be in your inventory (or have one summoned).


Please note this final thing: We are trying to minimize TIME ELAPSED in a bank/safe zone.



Fletching(Hotspot = Easy)

No brainer here. Broad bolts, or anything that involves making arrows (no bows here, we only want stackables). It'll fit in three inventory spaces or so, and you can hide upstairs in varrock castle and never be noticed.

Magic (Hotspot = Easy)

Alching, Humidify, and bolt enchanting all come to mind, again in stackable inventory spaces.

Agility(Hotspot = Easy)

Wilderness agility course. Need I say more? Hotspots really do own..don't die! Or , do ape atoll...it's better XP, but less $$.

Thieving(Hotspot = Hard)

Blackjack all day. Who goes to the desert, anyways? Food consumption is not a problem, there's a nearby general store that will be happy to buy your noted food (and sell you back unnoted). Ardy stalls are suicidal.

Mining(Hotspot = Hard)


Powermining in the desert is really the way to be, since granite is okay to drop. Fally mines (Dwarven mines) might be a hotspot.

Cooking (Hotspot = Easy/Hard)

How to cook? Well, there are three options. The first is slow, the second is suicidal, and the third is smart (guess which one ISN'T my idea Lol - and *neither* of mine are in a hotspot). Method 1: Fish. Cut tree. Ignite fire. Cook. Drop fish. Method 2: Go to the rogue's den. Hope that there are no pkers. Cook a few fish. Pkers show up. Die. Repeat. Method 3: Bring noted Cheese and Tomatos (Optional, Pineapples [noted], small fishing net, or weak weapon). Go to Bandit's Camp (north). Make multitude of Pizzas. Sell to store, reinvest money in more pizzas. If threatened by Pkers, offer free Pizzas.
Optional: Use Games Necklace for Banking at Bounty Hunter.

Smithing (Hotspot = Easy) - Using either the hobgoblin mine or the fally mines (Dwarven mines), you can mine in a hotspot. Superheat and smith at the ruins if in wildy. High alch (same runes LOL) the items that you smith.

Summoning (Hotspot = Hard)

Kyatt + lunar teleport to ourania, provided that it's not safe there...

Runecrafting (Hotspot = Hard)

Ourania, banking there.

Slayer (Hotspot = Easy/Hard)

Definite yes, although hotspots won't likely be happening (unless you get a wildy task).

Woodcutting (Hotspot = Hard?)

Most trees will be deserted for the time being; powercut since you won't be banking.

Herblore (Curretntly no good solution)

Well, you can bank at bounty hunter or the rogues den, but you WILL be pked. Nawt gud.

Construction: (Hotzone = N/A)

It has been confirmed that your house is a non=hot zone, but you will still gain PK points in it. Since dying in your house costs you nothing, it is absolutely insane to train construction anywhere else...




Feel free to post ideas on how to skill in PvP.

I will hit you over the head with the advantage: FREE ST00F (after pking your friends, of course).
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Postby Doomedrusher » Sun Oct 19, 2008 9:05 pm

Graahk + Games necklace?

Virtually anything + Games necklace = skilling with a few extra clicks, and you never enter a safe zone.


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Postby Kittguin » Sun Oct 19, 2008 9:07 pm

For slayer some tasks are bound to be in hotspots (greaters in the wild are first to come to mind but I'm sure there are others) which could be an added benefit to some crummy tasks
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Postby wkw427 » Sun Oct 19, 2008 9:14 pm

Off the top of my head, tasks in wild are:

greaters
hell hounds
fires giants
.. thats it
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Postby Kittguin » Sun Oct 19, 2008 9:16 pm

wkw427 wrote:Off the top of my head, tasks in wild are:

greaters
hell hounds
fires giants
.. thats it

I normally cancel all those tasks cause they're crap imo so heres some motivation to do them
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Postby Lord Klotski » Sun Oct 19, 2008 9:18 pm

New Quote: Mod Paul:

A quick run to the bank shouldn't effect it to much comapred to two hours of training. Just don't spend to much time in there.


So I guess the question is answered: Fishing still works, and that's about it. No herblorist will run *outside* the bank every 14 seconds. Banking at the open banks *is suicide*, so we are left to examine the alternatives...

Ty Doomed, forgot about that bank lol.
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Postby Da_Dragon555 » Sun Oct 19, 2008 9:20 pm

Cooking
Bring noted Cheese and Tomatos (Optional, Pineapples [noted], small fishing net, or weak weapon). Go to Bandit's Camp (north). Make multitude of Pizzas. Sell to store, reinvest money in more pizzas. If threatened by Pkers, offer free Pizzas.
Optional: Use Games Necklace for Banking at Bounty Hunter.


Smithing
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Postby Lord Klotski » Sun Oct 19, 2008 9:35 pm

Thanks for the great input people. I'm trying to add it as fast as I can...while , of course, spending time upstairs in varrock castle.
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Postby Boa1891 » Sun Oct 19, 2008 11:32 pm

Slayer: Don't forget wilderness Hells, Fire Giants, the wolves by the agility course and the scorpions by rogue fortress if you're a retasking noob, green dragons are a task from Vannaka if my memory serves me well, Red dragons from summona, lesser demons in the KBD cage, Black Dragons if you're suicidal enough to go to the KBD on a PvP world. Hill Giants, Ice Warriors, Ice Giants, not sure if they're tasks or who from. Tormented wraith is for ghostz task pliz? I sorta doubt it, but I don't know. Wraith isn't a hotspot, but after my friend camped there for three hours he PKed someone for Zuriel's staff (the real deal).

I wonder if any of the Chaos Tunnels are hotspot? Multicombat with lots of monsters, and Jagex said areas with lots of monsters are hot spots. That would add Nechs, Dusties, Dagganoth, Black Dragons (baby blacks), Bronze Dragons, Black Demons, Gargoyles, zombies, etc. Summona's Well may be a hotspot; I can't check tonight. That would add another 6? tasks. It's possible Mith Drags/Brutal Green/Waterfiends are a hotspot; Although I would never kill waterfiends on PvP (I dharok, lol.), the safest methods for killing the above enemies would probably be relatively safe, as you can always escape via the logs even if TBed.

Your house is not a safe spot, but it's not a hotspot; However, you do not lose items there, despite not being a safe spot. Games Neck to bank at BH/Rogue = Prayer training, plz? That's also your cooking, if you'd like. Hell, you can just make cake from the larder's stocks, if you want. :lol:

Since I was wrong and it's slow degrading in a bank rather than one-off degrading, Summoning and RuneCrafting are okay to train, especially if you use the non-safe banks. (Lol, yeah right) Best method of transportation would either be games necklace to BH (if you're risky) or teletabs to lumbridge (no need to run through a danger zone). Use a Kyatt or a Graahk; The Abyss and that thing called "walking" are off limits. However, death tab and using the UGP Obelisk is a safer alternative than Kyatt, if you really think some jackoff is going to camp the Piscatoris obelisk for your SPIRIT SHARDS AND SWAMP LIZARDS.

Is the Castle Wars bank safe? I guess that would be better than Lumbridge if it was.

I never once ran into a PKer while using Ice Plateau teleport and training agility- I'd say it's better than agility on non-PvP even if it wasn't a hotspot, since there are no revs and no one who cares to attack you.

How do Fairy Rings work? Aren't you supposed to be unattackable while inside the rings? If you could stand in a fairy ring in a hotspot and alch/fletch/whatever, it would be very easy for friends to get to you for you to KO their 25K, as it's hard to follow someone through fairy rings unless you know their intended destination. Alch in Varrock castle, you eventually get found and TBed and KOed. Alch inside a ring of immunity and that can't happen :)

I think I'm going to camp fairy ring abyssal demons tomorrow if the chaos tunnels aren't hotspots. Maybe regular abyssals, idk. I just hope I end up attacked, so I can whip out some crazy ownage.

I've been told GWD is fairly desolate on PvP worlds. Aside from the obvious Aviansies, where can I train Ranged/Combat Magic that would be a good spot to build up my PvP drops?

Can we start a discussion on Brawling glove spots/uses/abuses here, too? Excluding agility and melee, as they're way too obvious. :lol:
Gilded Altar w/Brawlers is 350%*1.5=525%=378XP per Dragon Bones; 288 in the wilderness. However, this 4x wilderness SHOULD stack with Barbarian Pyremaking, thus giving you an EPICJKFDSA 1152 prayer experience per Dragon Bones or 1.7GP/XP. If you happen to burn 100 chewed bones not only will you have a good shot at a full helm, you can take the epic experience gain, add brawling gloves, and bury 300/400 of the bones YOU COLLECTED WHILE GETTING THE CHEWED BONES. XD
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Postby Lord Klotski » Mon Oct 20, 2008 1:46 am

I'll...edit in Boa's post tomorrow. I was expecting a monster....and I certainly got it.

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Postby Sadukar123 » Mon Oct 20, 2008 6:54 am

Do it with Ourg bones.
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Postby Boa1891 » Mon Oct 20, 2008 7:18 am

Duel Arena Bank is safe, oddly.
Chaos Tunnels are not hot, the wells are not hot.
Jagex seems to have nerfed being able to get big drops off of 25K kills; I'm not sure, though.
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Postby Withered Laurels » Mon Oct 20, 2008 8:59 pm

Herby solution:

Buy loads of swamp tar.
Go kill herb droppers with a beat of burden (no macaws allowed).
Mix lower level herbs into tar.
Bank with a full inventory only.

Minimizes run time. Not training excluding the tar (which only works well for harralander drops), but it gets you the necessary materials for training.

And what's wrong with rock crab slaying?

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Postby sk3l3t0r711 » Tue Oct 21, 2008 7:09 am

Woodcutting (Hotspot = Hard?)

Most trees will be deserted for the time being; powercut since you won't be banking.


Tried it in Falador park last night with a Hydra. I had 4 mage logs before I had a PKer barely high enough to attack me give it a go...I let him get a few DDS specs to give him a chance for a KO. He failed miserably then I ran to the bank and dropped off my whole 4 logs, drink anti and eat a few monks. I am going to try a more desolate tree patch just for kicks. Then try my hand at this tactic, go off and try and get a few kills...can let everyone else have fun and it's nice to finaly have a chance to try it out.
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Postby Olliegod » Wed Oct 22, 2008 2:52 am

Lord Klotski wrote:Construction (Currently no good solution)


Well yesterday I took 5k noted oak planks to my house (not a safe zone) and made oak doors in my dungeon for a couple hours. After this I had my friend let me kill him with 75k twice, and I got magic brawling gloves and a berserker ring...so I think that worked out pretty well.

And just a general note: butlers can be used to bank things without entering a safe zone.
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Postby Rue Night » Wed Oct 22, 2008 2:59 am

Olliegod wrote:And just a general note: butlers can be used to bank things without entering a safe zone.

Woah! I never thought of this!

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Postby Lord Klotski » Wed Oct 22, 2008 11:50 am

Thanks, Olliegod. Welcome to TS.
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Postby ikraz55 » Wed Oct 22, 2008 2:36 pm

Tip: Find your own wilderness shooting stars on pvp worlds= lots of mining exp and an hour+ worth of pking points. If anyone tries to "help" you, just kill them. Insane exp with brawling gloves.

The hobgoblin mine should also not be overlooked for pure mining exp, especially for f2p players, or people too low leveled in mining to make much use of granite. There is a huge amount of iron ores there.
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Postby Olliegod » Wed Oct 22, 2008 2:53 pm

Thanks for the welcome.

I think it's also worth mentioning that there are deposit boxes at Port Khazard and next to the Gnomecopters out of safe zones. Port Khazard could be used for mining, and you could kill cows and bank hides by Gnomecopters.

Edit: Puro-Puro (impling minigame) is also not a safe zone.
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